It was my honor and privilege to be a guest on my friend Steve Barkley’s podcast, Steve Barkley Ponders Out Loud. Steve was talking about professional learning communities before most schools had even heard about them. He’s been consulting across the globe for over forty years now and he specializes in executive coaching, innovation, and change.

Take a few minutes if you’d like to hear this conversation as Steve talks to Mark about the new book What They Didn’t Teach You In Fancy Leadership School. Click below to listen!